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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
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When I got my 30 Gig hard drive I partitioned it into two partitions, C and D, and made them equal. Now I see that wasn’t a good split because my C is full of software loads and D is almost empty. I think that is giving me some performance problems, slow start primarily.

Can you advise me on re-partitioning my hard drive? Like, how to do it without loosing everything and having to reload?

Thanks.

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I wrote all the stuff below before realizing you have a 30GB drive. I though that was 300GB. My network engineer is better at that than me and would definitely recommend purchasing a new hard drive, like a 250GB or something large enough to be ridiculously enough space. Then install the drive in the computer as it stands now and we can “ghost” the C:\ partition, set a few parameters in a little program called “Partition Magic”, unplug your old hard drive and off you go. No moving of any files necessary, no need to fret about installation space, no backups required, in fact your current 30GB drive just became your new spare drive, etc. It is a little intimidating because there are lots of options but the best part is we can try it and fail without consequences. Doing it just right gives you your current windows installation on the new, warrantied, XXX GB drive and windows will love it, speed up, and last until you get real software issues!. HAHA! What kind of platform are you working with these days?

I can recommend the software if you want to order a drive, I wouldn’t get one locally – they just can’t compete with online pricing and the same warranty. Seagate, Western Digital, and Maxtor are acceptable brands.

Read on if you want to prolong your current drive (NOT recommended, windows XP needs 20GB or better to breathe with 512MB memory MINIMUM!, in my opinion of course).

I’d rather see you spend a little more money now on the correct fix to your exact problem instead of repairing what is already an unacceptable environment for win xp, hell I don’t think they sell drives less than 100GB now. Mine is still a 40GB tried and true! Ultimately it boils down to how important those programs are that you have installed because as you know if you mess with your partitions and reinstall you’ll have to start over. I do it every 3 months but I’m pretty quick at it.

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THE FOLLOWING IS RECOMMENDED, NOT MANDATORY. FOLLOW AT YOUR OWN RISK!
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For good measure and some neat tricks.

Assuming you have windows XP you can try to “clean up” your primary drive by first moving your “my documents” folder to your spare partition. That will probably free up a good but of space. Let’s see if I can type you through…be good practice, plus I could use something different:

Right click on your “My Documents” folder from your desktop (if you don’t have a shortcut to that folder click on the start menu and right click on “My Documents” and select something like “send to > desktop” or “Show on Desktop”.)

You will see the properties of that shortcut with a few options.

****** BEFORE YOU TRY THIS BE SURE YOU COPY THE FILES FROM C:\Documents and Settings\YOUR-USER-ACCOUNT\My Documents\ TO YOUR SPARE DRIVE AND LABEL IT BACKUP!!!! ********

Now, I would try the “Move” button shown below which will give you the option to choose the new location of that folder, it will copy the contents of the entire directory even though you are working from a shortcut. If you feel comfortable copying data then you can setup your new location ahead of time on the new partition and use the “Move” option but UNCHECK the box that says “Move data to new location” or something like that.

Check hard drive space…your page file depends on it! Depending on your memory size your hard drive serves as a “over flow” which is the page file. Typically it should be set to a minimum of TWICE the memory you have installed and a maximum of TWICE that number. If you have 512MB set the min. to 1024 and max to 2048, etc.

To set it right click on the “My Computer” icon on your desktop and select “Properties” from the menu (see above if you don’t have that icon on your desktop).

Click the “Advanced” tab, then under the “Performance” category click the button labeled “Settings”…brings up yet another window (hence the OS title!).

Click the “Advanced” tab again and observe what you see under the heading “Virtual Memory”….do some math, if you need to change it hit the “Change” button and set it to “Custom” if it isn’t already. Put in your numbers and hit “Set”. Probably have to reboot, registry dependant stuff.

Now you can also uninstall some less important programs like printer software, graphics software, games, etc. and re-install them TO your second partition. Of course you have to be able to set that manually during the install so a little google research will tell you which programs you can modify.

Temporarily allow hidden folders and system protected files: Open up any folder with files in it, go to Tools > Folder Options > View Tab > select “Show Hidden Files and Folders” > scroll down and UNCHECK “Hide protected operating system files”. It will not like that but tell it you know what you’re doing!

Now remove ALL contents in the following folders:
C:\Documents and Settings\---Any user account used recently---\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\
C:\Documents and Settings\---Any user account used recently---\Local Settings\Temp\
C:\WUTemp
C:\WINDOWS\Temp

If you don’t have an anti-spyware solution “Ad-aware SE” is a good one or if you really are serious about locking down your computer from Internet intruders I would recommend “Spy Sweeper by Webroot” in combination with either Norton Antivirus (Not Internet Security!) or Trend Micro Antivirus **up to date** and all current virus definitions downloaded (both above are automatic with Internet connection).

Now you’re ready to defrag – open up “My Computer” and right click on you C:\ partition and select “Properties”. Click on “Tools” then “Defragment Now”. Be prepared to be without, it’s better if you leave it alone while it moves all your files around into temp directories and puts them back in order. You should have a solid line of BLUE in the bottom window when it’s done.

Wow, every few months that wouldn’t be a bad way to elongate the life of a windows installation – I re-install every 3 months because I beat the crap out of it…this one is only a few days old!
 
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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Do you think this hard drive would work in my PC? It says ‘ideal for lap top’.

(Hard Drive Specifications)
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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Or this one …

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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hard Drive - alternative
Newegg.com is great for individual purchases. We’ve used them a lot.

Here’s a good Seagate 250GB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148261

Here’s a good 500GB drive http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148288

Here’s what to make sure of:
The size = 2.5 inch is a laptop drive, 3.5 inch is a desktop drive.
SATA – if you have sata available on your system this is the best medium for your current setup.
Read/write access times = you want somewhere between 8 and 9 milliseconds access time or less.
 
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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Thanks, Matt. The two I sent you are selections from a ‘gift list’ from work so I would only have to pay shipping. I will look at the Seagate for size and if my system is SATA compatible.
 
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Re:Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I have my new drive.

It says my motherboard must be able to handle a 3Gb/sec SATA drive. It does not tell me how to figure that out except check with the manufacturer.

Is there another way to figure that out?

If my motherboard is not compatible, I have to put a jumper on my new drive so it will run at 1.5Gb/sec.

Thanks,
 
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It’s gonna be much easier to just put the jumper on the SATA drive to limit it to 1.5Gb/s. Your first hard isn't anyway near that fast so it's really quite trivial. Most new drives already have the jumper for that in place or in the spare position on the drive, is it there?

It’s gonna be a lot smaller than the really small one’s you’ve seen on the standard ATA hard drives, about half the size. If it has the jumper then it’s already ready to go, if not hopefully they included one with the drive.

Let me know, I really wouldn’t know where to get just a jumper and I don’t have any. I may be able to see if we have any at the shop.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I have not looked at my motherboard yet but I wonder if it will even have a connector for the SATA drive. The drive I have is ATA. Should I be able to run both? I bought this motherboard in 2001: X-Technology 1200mhz AMD/256mb/64mb Thunderbird Upgraders Delight

It looks like this drive already has the jumper which is misleading because the instructions say to add the jumper for 1.5 operation.

So, you think I can just install this drive and there will be connections on the motherboard for both drives? Then I can ‘ghost’ the new drive? Can I set the partitions larger than I have now?
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Nope you don’t need to worry about SATA cause your motherboard doesn’t have it, most definitely. You can, however, get a PCI SATA Controller card and use them both that way. Sounds like you just have IDE.

The jumper is the “limiter” so when it’s bridging the two pins it’s decreasing the limit by half.

You should be OK as long as you have an IDE cable with two ends, most of them do. You can set the new drive to the largest size possible and still ghost your old partition.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I did a search for PCI SATA and found the site http://www.satagear.com/SATA_PCI_Cards.html. It has a ton of choices. So, why PCI SATA and not IDE SATA? I need to have a PCI slot for the PCI SATA, right? I think I have one. Is there a drawback to the IDE SATA? One of the IDE SATA cards says it supports 1.5G transfer rate which is the best I can get. My IDE cable is connected to my diskette (CD-ROM) drive and my current hard drive. I think it is long enough to reach a third device.

I can’t find the book that came with my motherboard (I think I had one). It looks like I have another bank of memory available. Anyway…...
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Hmm, somewhere we took a turn to some terminology I don’t think exists. I believe (checking for accuracy!)that IDE is the term that deals with the connection between the motherboard and an external device, such as a hard drive or CD ROM. So I think IDE and SATA IDE are the same thing really.

What you want is a PCI SATA Controller Card (or Serial ATA)
This one is fine, and probably your best bet: http://www.satagear.com/SS-PCI-102_SATA_PCI_Card.html

The reason you want it onboard is because you are using it for the OS drive correct? Not a backup drive? If it’s backup then you don’t “have” to keep the drive inside but you will still need to use a PCI type card that inserts into the 32-bit slots so you might as well get the one that was designed to do what you want it to do and get the internal setup.

You can try something like this link which converts ATA to SATA, never tried it but it should work or they wouldn’t sell it (yea right!) if it didn't. Don’t think you will get the “Serial” multi-direction data transfer features of the SATA drive that way because it will have to convert it back to ATA to communicate with the motherboard, I think. But, since you have ATA now you won’t notice a difference. Longer ATA IDE cables are cheap and very long to accomodate extraneous distances. http://www.satagear.com/SATA-MM-A1_SATA_Adapter.html

Don’t forget you may need a Molex adapter to get your SATA drive juice, if they didn’t send one with the drive. http://www.satagear.com/SS-PW2MA2_SATA_Adapter.html
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I really appreciate your patience on this stuff. The IDE thing was SATA to IDE, I guess simply a way to plug a SATA device into the flat IDE cable that connects several devices inside my PC. Anyway, I think you are saying there is some performance to be gained by using the SATA PCI card and that IS what I need. I’m going to look again to make sure I have a PCI slot and order the card you suggested. My new drive is internal but with this card I guess I could add an external tape drive that is SATA , right? Do they make those?

The Seagate drive came with a Power-adapter cable so I hope that is the Molex adapter.

So, once I order and receive the SATA PCI Card, I can install the new drive and power up? Then use the Seagate Disc Utility CD to…ghost my other hard drive? Actually the instruction manual with the Seagate has an Upgrade and clone option. The manual also says, since I will be connecting to a PCI card, the drive is sure to be recognized. The manual seems pretty clear so after I get the PCI card, I’ll see if it raises any questions and let you know.

Thanks again for the help. Hopefully I can keep track of these documents in case I ever get a new motherboard.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
With the one I sent you in this thread you can have one drive inside and one outside.

I would definitely try the software that came with the drive first, especially if it says it has a “clone” option, that sounds spot-on. That’s your best bet, probably better than my best bet.

Either way just make sure you pay attention to the drive letters vs the size of the drive. One will be significantly larger than the other. You can always go back and re-format the big drive (new one) to try it another way. I wouldn’t be surprised if it didn’t quite work the first time. Happens to me all the time, just do it again and change a few things, eventually you'll get enough innapropriate responses to figure out exactly what's it's asking you to do.

The drive will definitely be recognized by the PCI card, it’s the PCI card that needs to be recognized by windows. Definitely run the CD it came with and install any utility software or driver package as well. Read the info on the card, it may tell you to install the drivers and software before you install the actual car and hard drive.

Looking forward to seeing what this software will do.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Do you have a set of brackets to put a 3.5 inch device (commonly referred to as a hard drive) in a 5.5 inch bay? The drive is 3.5 inch laptop drive and that area is crowded in my PC but I have 3 open slots for 5.5 inch drives. I could squeeze it in but the directions suggest placing it by a fan which I don’t have but more air space I do have in the 5.5 inch area.

The PCI card is to be delivered Tuesday. If you don’t have brackets, do you think I can get them at Radio Shack?
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Gosh I hope I didn’t tell you to get a 3.5 inch drive did I!?!?!?!?!

Not only will you have trouble with the mounting, the cabling will be tricky too. Typically a laptop hard drive is powered by the same cable that the data transfer comes through…crap I need to look some things up and get back to you. Is there any chance of exchanging that for a 5.5 inch drive? Or was that the gift from work? (no wonder, what are you gonna do with a laptop drive outside of a laptop, paste some cd's to it and call it an ipod?).

Anyway, yes you can do all those things but I need some help answering this one.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
I don’t think I have a problem with the power because the power cable that came with it will connect to the drive and the other end is male so it plugs in to the power cable that comes from the power supply and I have two of those that are unused.

As long as this other cable will connect to the PCI card, I’m OK. The instructions say to connect the data cable to either the motherboard or the add-in SATA card.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
Awesome. You’re in good shape. Order that card.

Got any powder that way? We had probably an inch of snow in Calera. Mostly the sloshy kind that's really cold and hurts when it hits you in the face!
 
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You didn’t say whether you have 3.5 to 5.5 brackets.
 
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Re: Hard Drive Repartition 6 Months, 1 Week ago  
True. I don’t and I’m not sure if radio shack would have them (probably not). I would try CompUs…oh that’s right they went belly up!! HA HA HA HA!

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Thank you...

Give best buy a call and they should be able to tell you if they have any in stock, the one at Alabaster probably does. Do yourself a favor and look it up on http://www.newegg.com before you call so you’ll know the exact name of what you need. They’ll have it.

If not there’s a place called “Forbes” downtown that would definitely have it, check the phone book for that one. I would order it online from newegg.com or maybe amazon though, it’s cheaper and less gas and traffic!
 
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